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So I think that they really want to make that an option, but because of the complexity of the story (princess) and other game mechanics it would be difficult to make it available. Just throw in some princes. Maybe throw out certain assumptions that are somewhat more modern than certain people think. There. Problem solved.
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like Anubis said before make some of the princess' prince's & your away, Larian have already confermed that you have the option to choose who you marry. So whats the difference in making a few princes & allowing us to play a female Dragon Knight, after all Larian have proven that they have what it takes to do it or we would never have had the option in Divinity to beguin with.
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So we get to choose if abortion is made illegal or legal? LOL
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I suppose you could look at it that way
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Quick answers -
So yes, in our heads we want to include princes, but from the development point of view, the "influence network" that's being implemented between all the characters that are on board of the Raven is quite complex, and it almost doubles our work, so it remains to be seen if we have the time - right now it's on the list, but no promises made. We have maps of what all characters think about one another, how they will grow towards each other during the course of the game, how your decisions will affect them, what impact it will have on your gameplay etc... It really will be the first time that we worked out every single character so deeply so it's not just a question of changing a couple of lines to accomodate for the male/female option, instead it requires fleshing out a significant amount of different characters and linking them to all the other characters that are on board - read, it's a lot of work. But we'll try.
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@Demonic - that's very much the intention, yes.
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I'm glad to hear that.
But... instead of filling the world with all princes or all princesses (as you seem to suggest you are doing), why not put a mixture of select princes and princesses into the game? It'd be less work and more inclusive.
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Well Lar if you want to do something then do it is what I say, I understand that you think there may not be enough time so give yourself the time. I can't speak for everyone but I know I'd be willing to wait for your game, I'm a major Final Fantasy Fanatic & have been waiting for ages for Final Fantasy XIII - 2. That game was supposed to be released ages ago but it got put back, I don't mind though because I love the Final Fantasy games & am more than happy to wait because I know I'm going to love it. It's the same here for me, I know I'm going to love Dragon Commander but I would rather you give yourselfs the time to do what you want to do rather than give yourselfs a small timeframe & only do a small amount of what you originally wanted. I understand that it would mean more work & money & that your choosing to develope it & publish it yourselfs & that is a scary & expencive idea. All I can say though is don't be scared I believe in you all I know you can do it, your game's are amazing & always so funny. Your a great bunch of people with amazing vision & an awsome sence of humour, the fact that other companys have been trying to get there hands on DC should tell you the it is already very sought after. Dragon Commander is going to be an amzing game I know it, so don't be affraid to be creative because the best thing in life weren't made over night. You all have what it takes to be a major player in the gaming industry so don't doubt for a min that your ideas are rubbish because I can tell you now there not. I've not played a single game of yours that I haven't liked & there aren't many companys out there that I'll say that about in fact there are only 2 you & Square Enix. Anyway I've bored you enough with my lectures so I'll leave it at that for now, I know you'll make this game awsome, Have faith in yourselfs because I have faith in you all. (Rawrs & hurls random Fireball into the air)
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I can imagine some of the dialogues, if you play a guy and are married to a prince.
"Husband, I want to have a kid" "We can't" "We'll keep trying !"
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I can imagine some of the dialogues, if you play a guy and are married to a prince.
"Husband, I want to have a kid" "We can't" "We'll keep trying !" Considering the skeleton princess and her delicious apples, I wouldn't be surprised if something along these lines made it into the game. Maybe with an imp prince, or something.
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@Lar_q
I'm not sure if you're being serious here...I mean if things like abortion are coming up in the gameplay...what sort of consequences will be associated with it? I'm guessing making it legal or illegal will both have consequences?
And then we have civil rights, animal rights, gay rights, church state, school prayer, health care, illegal immigrants and drugs. This seems too much for a game! If DC is incorporating all of these elements where you get to decide the rights that you're people have...I guess the "tyrant ruler" vs "just ruler" statement really is true then.
It's stuff like this that have me even more interested in the game. I mean, I'm guessing that (even if the other stuff doesn't get put into the game) that civil rights will be in the game for sure. I bet we can teach the dwarves like second rate citizens while imps get treated nicely. I bet we can also raise taxes and all of that which of course would surely effect the morale of our people which could risk rebellion from them?
From what I'm hearing of DC, it seems like the most in-depth Divinity game yet and I look forward to seeing the consequences of our actions as I swear that you previously boasted that you had mastered the consequences stuff before Bioware. If I get Generals betraying me along with my people rising up in rebellion...that would surely suffice.
I think one of the earliest choices that will bite us in the ass later on is the skeleton princess one. If we chuck the dwarves out of their city for the skeleton princess, I bet that they will be back later on for some revenge.
Hmmm...so many questions...so few answers. I guess some things are better left as surprises.
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And then we have civil rights, animal rights, gay rights, church state, school prayer, health care, illegal immigrants and drugs. You forget Imp rights, Elven rights, dwarven rights, Lizardpeople rights, dragon rights ... You get the idea ? At one point they just need to do a cut. Maybe female protagonists in/as an add-on ? Like with King's Bounty / The Armored Princess ? (And there would be the complexity of joining both games together ... Or rather do two entirely different games : One with princessess and one with princes ... Edit : By the way, I'd like to have *female* generals as well ... Perhaps an ancestor of General Alix ?
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Well if they chose to do another game with a female Dragon Knight as the Dragon Commander I'd buy it for sure. Something like Resident Evil Did with Resident Evil 2 were you had 2 discs to the game one from Leons point of veiw & the other from Clairs.
Maybe they could do something similer like one game for a male Dragon Commander & one for a female Dragon Commander. I mean they did it with ED/DKS rereleased the smae game with diffrences so I don't see why they can't do the same here for DC. That way they can still do what they wanted by making a female Dragon Knight avalible while at the same time keeping everyone happy & making extra money.
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I almost assume that it would be more easier for them - just because of the level of complexity - to do one game first, and then the second.
There could be a problem of advertising it, though. "The same game, but now from a female perspective !" If everyone sees that it is basically the same game, they wouldn't buy it, I guess - i it was a full game, I mean. As an add-on ... perhaps.
I think another way would be to do the game so that only relatively few parts need to be exchanged like ... for example putting certain lists of choices and in-game commands/scripts into simple text files which could be be easily replaced. The positive on that would be that these "simple text files" would enable people to mod their own campaigns or other elements through "re-writing" these text files.
Don't know whether this is possible at all, though.
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Well if they did it the rerelease way doing the game from a female prospective they would have to make changes so it wouldn't be exactley the same game. It would be more of an extention to the story, if they did through DLC then it would be like going out & buying a brand new game the DLC would be very expencive.
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There could be a problem of advertising it, though. "The same game, but now from a female perspective !" If everyone sees that it is basically the same game, they wouldn't buy it, I guess - i it was a full game, I mean. As an add-on ... perhaps.
Don't know whether this is possible at all, though. Ridiculous. Paying more just to see the game from a female perspective? What nonsense. Why not make the female perspective the standard one and force people to pay extra to play as a man? No. There is no excuse for gauging your customers like that. Unless you're so greedy you are incapable to see videogames as anything other than a way to make money. And do we really want Larian to become Activision? Heck, if Dragon Commander only lets you play as a guy, I'd still buy it. I'd grumble about and I'll think less of the game for it, but I'd probably still enjoy it. But if they were to pull a stunt like this, I wouldn't buy the game. Ever. I do have some principles.
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I would have gone more along the lines of EA rather than Activision, but no I wouldn't want to see any company I love follow the path of EA or Activision. All I was saying was if the option to put a female character in DC from the start is not an option due to time restrictions then adding it later like they did with FOV by releasing DKS might be an option.
Then they would be able to do what they wanted to do all along & at the same time keep all there fans happy.
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Ego Draconis was pushed out the door unfinished because Larian ran out of money (and possibly also time). And they still managed to include a female PC from the get-go.
As far as I understand the situation at Larian, something truly disastrous must happen for the circumstances around Dragon Commander to become even worse than they had been during the development of Ego Draconis. Like a civil war breaking out in Belgium.
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True but DC is looking a most complex game than ED was, plus DC is like nothing they've made before so you can't blame them for having doubts. I want to play as a female Dragon Knight as much as you but I also know that it takes time & money to do it, with this game being a new type of game for Larian then there higher ups are going to want results asap. If thay don't include the option for a female Dragon Knight maybe they'll do another game & add it it then once they know theres a demand for there new game type. Like you I want the option from the start but I'd also understand if it doesn't happen right away.
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